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Saturday, February 10, 2007


We hear a lot about the radical islamo-fascists, but rarely do we hear the Christian side of the same story. There is an article on the movement in the US that speaks of the Christo-fascist youth movement in the US. What's interesting about this article is that I saw it on the same day that I was reading Dawkins "God Delusion". In the part of the book I was reading, Dawkins was talking about the parental influence on the beliefs of children. While I don't necessarily think that parental influence is bad nor do I believe that children should be shielded from religion until they are older, this article describes some positively scary indoctrination. For example:

Recently, I viewed a chilling documentary "Jesus Camp", which examines "the evangelical belief that a revival is underway in America that requires Christian youth to assume leadership roles in advocating the causes of their religious movement." The film follows a group of evangelical kids who attend a summer camp where they are taught to become dedicated Christian soldiers in God's army. Under the leadership of control-freak youth pastor, Becky Fischer, who makes Nurse Ratchet in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" look likeSnow White , the children are told that theirs is a unique generation - perhaps the last on earth before the return of Christ to rapture his church, and that just as Musilm children learn at an early age to carry and use automatic weapons so that they can die for Islam, Christian kids must learn to fight in the Jesus army in order to save souls and take back America for God - and be willing to die for Jesus.

This smacks of Mao's youth movement and the marxist-leninist approach to communism. Hitler knew all to well that getting the youth of Germany behind him assured him of a blind following. Compare the following statements made by Chairman Mao:

How should we judge whether a youth is a revolutionary? How can we tell? There can only be one criterion, namely, whether or not he is willing to integrate himself with the broad masses of workers and peasants and does so in practice. If he is willing to do so and actually does so, he is a revolutionary; otherwise he is a nonrevolutionary or a counter-revolutionary. If today he integrates himself with the masses of workers and peasants, then today he is a revolutionary; if tomorrow he ceases to do so or turns round to oppress the common people, then he becomes a nonrevolutionary or a counter revolutionary.

The Hitler Jugend were an important part of Nazi politics and this is Hitler's philosophy on youth in Nazi Germany:

Physical fitness, according to Hitler, was much more important for his young people than memorizing "dead facts" in the classroom. In his book Mein Kampf, he stated that "...a less well-educated, but physically healthy individual with a sound, firm character, full of determination and willpower, is more valuable to the Volkish community than an intellectual weakling."

School schedules were adjusted to allow for at least one hour of of physical training in the morning and one hour each evening. Prior to this, only two hours per week had been set aside. Hitler also encouraged young boys to take up boxing to heighten their agressiveness.

Hitler believed tough physical training would instill confidence and that "...this self-confidence must be instilled from childhood into every German. His entire education and training must be designed to convince him of his absolute superiority over others." He viewed education as a means of raising nationalist enthusiasm in German boys while teaching them to be ready to sacrifice themselves for the Fatherland. Special assemblies were often held in school halls featuring themes of heroism and readiness to die for "the cause."

Sound familiar? In fact, the radical islamic movement focuses on youth because they are more easily trained in the movement and follow orders blindly. Christo-fascism is as real and as dangerous as any other radical religious movement and it is important to keep tabs on young earth creationist and intelligent design movements as they are becoming populated with Christo-Jugend.

and an interesting video


Joe Meert


At 11:11 PM, Blogger Forthekids said...

Hi Joe,

How ya doing...ran across your blog looking for something else.

Anywhoo....you do realize that Jesus Camp only held 100 kids and it's now closed down (thank goodness).

Maybe you can lead me in the direction of these fanatic Christians. I've been wanting to write a post about the leaders of these Christian groups who want to take over the government, etc.

It seems the "pro-science" crowd feels there is a push for a religious theocracy. So maybe you can provide some documentation that proves this is indeed happening and then I'll fight them right along with you.



At 2:05 AM, Blogger dogscratcher said...

If you are serious, do some research on David Barton. Here is one to start you off:


At 7:35 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

You might indeed want to read Clarkson's work. The link dogscratcher gave was cut off


Hopefully this link will help. But here's a snippet if you are too disinterested to follow:

The significance of the Reconstructionist movement is not its numbers, but the power of its ideas and their surprisingly rapid acceptance. Many on the Christian Right are unaware that they hold Reconstructionist ideas. Because as a theology it is controversial, even among evangelicals, many who are consciously influenced by it avoid the label. This furtiveness is not, however, as significant as the potency of the ideology itself. Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of "Biblical Law." Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.


Joe Meert

PS: FTK is probably not seriously interested in hearing about the dangers of funamentalism.

At 7:42 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

You might also want to read Hedge's book American Fascism.


Joe Meert

At 11:56 AM, Blogger dogscratcher said...

"PS: FTK is probably not seriously interested in hearing about the dangers of funamentalism."

And will probably claim on her blog that she came here honestly seeking examples of these theocrats and you couldn't provide any.

At 2:05 PM, Blogger Forthekids said...

Oh, come on you guys. Give me a break. I don't agree with your dogmatic claims about evolution, but then again I DO NOT want a Christian theocracy in government. That would be BAD.

I really believe that the group you fear is quite small, and I'm afraid you clump all traditional Christians into this group.

So, I figure if I can pinpoint these dangerous "fundamentalists" and point them out to others maybe that would help keep you people from being so paranoid about Christians like myself who want nothing to do with a "theocracy".

My interpretation of Christ's words is that he didn't want any part of an earthly government. "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's". His message was about a heavenly kingdom. So, I have no idea why these Christian groups want to take over the government.

I am familiar with David Barton and I saw a video where he goes over some of the stuff in his book. Some of it I thought was quite true. Schools did at one time use the Bible as a learning tool, etc., etc. It didn't come across to me that he was saying saying that we should go back to those ideals, but that our nation was not at one time as secular as it is now.

I've been warned about Barton before and from what I was told it seems that he is part of this "reconstructionist movement". I'll read the links you've provided.

I certainly have no problem with a secular government, but I also don't like the government and the "scientific community" telling me that I have to teach my children that Darwinism is a "fact" when that "fact" is obviously speculative.

At 3:28 PM, Blogger dogscratcher said...

"I really believe that the group you fear is quite small,"

Possibly, but they are well connected, and have a lot of influence:as documented here.

"I certainly have no problem with a secular government, but I also don't like the government and the "scientific community" telling me that I have to teach my children that Darwinism is a "fact" when that "fact" is obviously speculative."

Do you think they should teach any science at all? All science is "speculative" in the sense that it provides only provisional "facts." But evolution is as well supported as any.

If the IDists ever actually produce some positive evidence for creation (as opposed to negative arguments against evolution), then there might be a case for teaching it.

But until then, evolution is by far the best science available.

At 5:36 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I look at your blog and see that truth involves accepting pseudoscientific concepts like Intelligent Design and quickly realized that the truth you seek is nothing more or less than what you've already concluded was true. In other words, you seek out information to confirm your conclusion and disregard anything that is contrary to your viewpoint. That, my dear FTK, is neither good science nor good theology.


Joe Meert

At 6:29 PM, Blogger Forthekids said...

"...you seek out information to confirm your conclusion and disregard anything that is contrary to your viewpoint."

Ummm...Joe, isn't that exactly what you do? You have in your mind what you think is correct and your work will reflect what your worldview leads you to believe about nature. There is not a chance in hell of you ever changing your opinion.

Why is it okay for you to hold an opinion about how the world evolved, but it is not okay for me to have an opinion on the matter?

Why do you count and I do not?

Would it be because *you are right*, and I am wrong? How do you know you are right? Macroevolution is supported by scientific inferences just as ID is.

Truth be told, ID doesn't even mess with macroev. at all, and I've never heard anyone insist that the theory be taken out of the science classroom.

The only thing that ID clashes with is philosophical naturalism. If one believes that that design is nonexistent in nature, and also believes that the first cause of our existence was brought about by mere chance, then they will disagree with ID. But, theistic evolutionists should not have a problem with ID. It's not a threat to evolution.

At 6:41 PM, Blogger Unknown said...


Nice try. This is the classic 'opinion is considered as fact' fallacy that is embraced by the young earth creationists. In fact, opinion is useless unless backed by some scientific evidence. Here we have evidence of a Christo-fascist movement. we can deny it (or pretend it is too small to worry about) or we can take the threat seriously. If nothing, extremist Islam has taught us the folly of underestimating radical fundamentalists. I know you like the theocratic agenda espoused by the ID crowd, but most concerned people who value religious freedom are rightfully concerned with the evidence itself rather than your opinion of it.


Joe Meert

At 8:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't ever seem to tell me much, Joe. You just dance around without saying a thing.

Ah, well. There must be someone out there who can answer my questions. Your too busy worrying about a "Christo-Fascism theocracy" to actually think.


At 9:02 PM, Blogger Unknown said...


You're confused (not a surprise!). You think that 'dancing around' is equivalent to 'having no answer'. Instead what you have failed to comprehend is that asking stupid questions is not 'deserving of a thoughtful reply'. Ask a smart question and I'll be happy to reply. If you are merely about robotically repeating wacko dogma, don't expect me to spend much time refuting your (blindly repeated) idiocy.


Joe Meert


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